Autobiography Early Life – Mary Charlotte Gamel – through June, 1969

This section of the history is devoted entirely to the life story of the site author. It remains ‘under construction’ until this sentence is removed, having been written, 14 May 2009. The history will be written in third person.

PRESCOTT/WICKENBURG; Mary Charlotte Andes was born 10 AUG 1946, in the only hospital in Prescott, Arizona in those days.  Her parents, Dr. Jerome Eli Andes and Alice Erlene Jacobs Andes had moved to the Wickenburg, AZ area, and had just completed a custom built home on the town’s outskirts. Mary Charlotte joined a family of 3, which included her parents and her 20 month old brother, David Kenneth Andes. Her father, an M. D., worked as a general practioner and surgeon, in his medical office in Wickenburg, Arizona.

BOXEMAN, MT:  The family had lived in Wickenburg, AZ for approximately 3 1/2 years. Because both Jerome and Alice Andes both had origianally come from Bozeman, MT, and many family still remained there, a move was made to return; the house that they had built from the groung up was sold, and a home on Olive Street in Bozeman became their new residence. Brother David began his Kindergarden year and a winter of snow followed. Charlotte and her brother David spent some days sledding, as did the other children in Bozeman. It was at this home that David, using Charlotte’s green parisol, tried to jump off the family’s garage roof and fly. The umbrella was uncooperative, inverted, and David experienced his first broken arm. A spruce pine remains to this day in which Charlotte saw her first bird’s nest, through the home’s kitchen window.

PARKER, AZ: After only one year, in about 1950, because of the cold weather and snow,  Charlotte’s parents decided to move back into the southwest, and back to the desert. This time it was along the Colorado River in Parker, AZ. There Dr. Andes began a position a the Mojave Reservation Medical Clinic in Parker. Their home was provided by the Clinic, and was located then at Parker’s edge, and on reservation land. During the year to year and a half the Andes’ family lived there, many friends were found.  Charlotte’s first friend Desta, was an Indian girl, a little older than she was; Charlotte’s memory is that Desta was Navajo.   Charlotte’s father’s office employed Jennie Holtsoi, an LVN, whose family became close friends with the Andes family. The Holtsoi’s generously included the Andes in their family gatherings, one being a trip to the Hopi Reservation, specifically to Polocca, AZ.

In Polocca, lived the Carl’s, Edwin F. or Sewehongva Carl and his wife Hattie Carl, Jennie Holtsoi’s parents. Jennie also had a brother, Ralph Collins Carl, who may or may not have been there when the Andes visited. Charlotte’s parents took their travel trailer, pulled by their Buick, and camped beside the Carl home.  Meals were cooked by the Carls and Holtsoi’s and the table was large enough to share with all the family and their friends.

The Carl-Holtsoi family record, obtained by Charlotte Andes Gamel from Indian records as noted that follow the Group Record:


Birth: 1878
Marriage Date:
Comments: There was another family member of either Edwin or Hattie (below), who in about 1951 was 108 years old, and called an “uncle”; (this site author remembers his name as “Tom” – but this comes from the memory of a 6 year old girl). He rode his burro from his home on top of the First Mesa (by Polloca, AZ) down on his burro, to work in his fields as a farmer.  His photo will be here included at a later date.
Birth: 1882
Death: 1971(6)
Gender: MALE
Marriage Date:
Gender: FEMALE
Birth: 7 JUN 1917(1,2,3)
Marriage Date:
To Whom: ____ HOLSTOI(4)
Death: 17 MAY 2008, TUCSON, PIMA Co., AZ(5)
Comments: Had at least one daughter, Margaret Holtsoi, who was married in the early 1960’s in Poston, AZ, in a small community chapel/church; Margaret apparently lives (in 2009) in Tucson, AZ area, as Margaret Holtsoi Williams. Her mother Jennie Carl Holtsoi also lived her last years here in Tucson, near her daughter.


A little about Hattie Carl ( called “Cloud Flower”, by her family).  Taken entirely from “7” resource, below.

Little written history is known of Hattie Carl.



Resources for Hattie Carl History:

1. Obituary, The Winslow Mail, June 2000. For 6/13/00.
2. U. S. INDIAN CENSUS ROLL, Hopi Indian Agency, Arizona, April 1, 1934
3. U. S. ___ INDIANS of HOPI INDIAN AGENCY , 1 JUL 1925 (Tribe Moqui)
4. Personal knowledge, site author
5. Social Security Death Index

6. National Museum of the American Indian; information found through Hattie Carl’s name search on July 3, 2010.

7. Online:




The following is as much of a history as has been obtained by this site author as of Aug. 15, 2012.  It is from resource “7” below, and this site author’s memories as a child.

Hattie was the older sister of Ethyl Carl.  We know that Hattie had an uncle, as already noted above, before Hattie Carl’s Group Sheet, in  the dialogue.  She produced pottery from the 1900’s until ~1954.  This author knows that Hattie produced a pot for Jerome and Alice Andes. the author’s parents, to replace one made prior by Hattie which has been broken.  That pot she made in about 1954.  Both Hattie and her sister Ethyl made pottery.  Hattie was a Tewa Hopi, of the Parrot Clan.  In her designs, she painted in her own style, birds, which were the parrot.


Hattie was called by her family, by the time this site author knew of her, “Cloud Flower”.  Hattie’s signature was a 3 lobed cloud, with lines from the lower cloud line to signify rain, and a flower from the top of the cloud.  She might also use a lightening bolt on each side.  Resource “7” below noted that Hattie was one of the first 4 four Hopi potters to begin using an identification mark on the bottom of their pots; this began in about 1925-1930.  There exists an undated pot with a cloud with a flower earlier than 1925, which also could very well have been Hattie Carl’s.   We would know very little about Hattie Carl if it were not for her sister Ethyl Carl Muchvo and an Anglo tourist Maud Melville.  Maud, along with her family, had visited the Hopi area in 1927 and had met Ethyl.  Both began a correspondence that lasted ten years an is documented by Carolyn O. Davis in her book “Hopi Summer”, 2007.  This book makes incidental mention of Hattie Carl and reprints two photographs of her, on pages 133 and 124.


Hattie was born, according to later U.S. Indian Census Roll records, in about 1882.  Hattie (Ohmawae, her original first name, “1”), unknown last maiden name, married Edwin F. (or Sewehongva his original first name, “1”) Carl of the First Mesa.  “Edwin had become a Christian and often interpreted services at The First Mesa Baptists Church, a missionary outreach there.  After their marriage, Hattie also became a Christian.  Hattie and Edwin had a son, Ralph, b. 1914, and a daughter, Jennie, b. 1917.  Hopi life was very difficult during the 1930’s and the letters from Ethyl to Maud Melville made it clear that Ethyl and Hattie’s families were often close to starvation” (“Hopi Summer”, Davis, 2007, p. 120, 141, from “7” below).


In 1936 to 1939, Hattie is reported as making beautiful pottery.  During these late 1930’s years, Hattie’s children would have been grown, and this could have been the advent of her improved artistry.  This author possesses 2 pottery pieces made by Hattie, gifted to her father and mother, Dr. and Mrs. Jerome and Alice Andes, then living in Parker, AZ, during 1951. Hattie was of the Tewa Hopi Indian tribe, of the First Mesa, Hopi Indian Reservation, Arizona.   Research done by Stanislawski (1976), relative to Hopi pottery ‘marks’ or signatures, mentions the following, which includes history about Hattie and her early family.  He sictes the following:  “The motivation to mark pottery with a symbol or signature stems from [Tewa Hopi] commerce with non-Indians.  The use of an identification mark rather than a signature may have been due to unfamiliarity with writing, or a wish to remain anonymous and seemingly less competitive.”  He notes that that Hattie Carl was among the first four potters to use an identification mark (ca 1925-1930) and that ‘an undated pot with the cloud flower mark of Hattie Carl may have been older(1976:57, 51).’  Hattie Carl apparently produced pottery from the early 1900s to ~1953, as this site author has a damaged pot by Hattie, which she replaced in about 1953 with another pot, for Dr. and Mrs. Jerome and Alice Andes.  David Andes, of Bozeman, MT (2012), has this pot in his possession. – Stanislawski also notes that in the mid 1970’s, most of the First Mesa pottery was still unsigned, but that Hopi-Tewa potters (such as Hattie Carl)were three times more likely to sign their pots that were Hopi potters.  Hattie Carls’ willingness to attend Christian services (which excluded her from the traditional religious activities of her village) lends credence to this hypothesis and may explain why she was among the first potters at First Mesa to sign her pots.”(7)


By the time this site author, Mary Charlotte (Andes) Gamel came to know Hattie Carl, her memory was always of “Cloud Flower”, because that is what her family called her.  The 1952 or 1953 trip to the Hopi Reservation and First Mesa’s, Polacca, AZ will always be imbedded in her brain.  Cloud Flower, Hattie Carl, was by this time 70-71 years old.  She and Edwin lived in a home at the base of First Mesa, and they lived happily and simply.  Her kilns were outside her home on her property, which Charlotte thought very odd at the time.  And there was an outhouse outside, since the house did not have a sewer capability, even in 1950’s.  But this mattered not and all enjoyed the visit of the Andes’ family.  Jerome and Alice, Charlotte and her brother David went with the Carls and Holtsois up onto the First Mesa, where the snake dances were performed on the south end of pueblo, where the sacred ceremonies were performed.  Only those allowed could go into that last First Mesa area where the snake dances were performed, so other ceremonies included visitors in their festivities.  During these, Charlotte received a kachina doll and David a bow and an arrow.  Charlotte has this kachina doll until this present day.